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Rik said:soapalchemist said:RB I'm going to respond to your question to Spandex, as I suspect you can Google soccer and find out what it is. :lol:
As an Irish person myself, I wouldn't say I'm particularly patriotic. But I do actually feel sorry for English people that their flag has come to symbolise fascism in the minds of many. Thereby leaving them with no national symbol that they can be proud of in an unashamed way - I mean no symbol that doesn't have connotations of fascism. (Apart from Bovril/Marmite.....and look what's happened to Marmite.....good on them for telling the BNP to get their product off their promotional stuff).
So to me, the Cross of St. David is a very ambiguous symbol, as just like the attempt on Marmite, it has been co-opted by what I hope is a minority........
And I see Hunny has now explained the soccer thing fully.
FFS - the swastika is a fascist flag. What a patronising post and I'm not even bloody English. :roll:
moodymick said:Rik said:Just because a minority of wankers - left wing or right, I don't care - use the flag (with hundreds of years of history behind it) doesn't mean that it's suddenly been somehow tainted for an entire nation or around the world. If you see the Union Jack and think 'Fascists' then your understanding of the world at large perhaps needs examined.
Yeah, I kinda agree here!
The problem is that for too many years middle class liberal multi-culturalist guardianista's and trotskites wiped their arse on the flag and hence it was as no surprise that it was picked up by extremists of a different flavour.
This has left your average person in the street in a cleft stick situation - bow to the left and deny your rightful heritage or display it in an act of national pride and be accused of bigotry or of being a xenophobic little englander. Why are our leaders so scared of nation pride?
Jeltz said:As I said its primarily the media that perpetuate this view with their "Time to claim back the cross" articles etc
cheese_dave said:It's funny this, cos the cross on the English flag is actually representative of Christianity. So there's religion thrown into the melting pot of this radioactive thread.
My work here is done
cheese_dave said:Bigot.
Oooh feck is this microphone on?
Rik said:Just because a minority of wankers - left wing or right, I don't care - use the flag (with hundreds of years of history behind it) doesn't mean that it's suddenly been somehow tainted for an entire nation or around the world. If you see the Union Jack and think 'Fascists' then your understanding of the world at large perhaps needs examined.
It's like hearing 'Stairway to Heaven' and thinking Rolf Harris instead of Zeppelin. Not that I'm suggested Rolf is a fascist.
I don't even know why I'm getting so self righteous about this topic anyway.
Fly the flag if you want; or don't. If you don't like football you're a poof and that's ok too.
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