THE FIN
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osdset,
I know there are variables with the HHT I try to keep mine as controlled as possible with them in a bag and at equal lengths and thickness's but that doesn't make it absolutely controlled.
However the results are too consistent for me to say that it is a load of rubbish. There seems to be some truth in it.
I think we can agree that the whole subject is completely irrelevant to maintaining our razors edge though and that it is not compulsory to have more than one straight razor.
I see you have your view and that is based on intelligent thinking and I respect that, I just wanted you to consider my observations before you completely dismiss the idea.
If nothing else I'm sure this debate has provided plenty of entertainment to the other members!
It wasn't intended as pseudo science, merely an analogy to explain what I think happens.
"you're making yourself look silly."
We were having a civilised discussion until now.
I know there are variables with the HHT I try to keep mine as controlled as possible with them in a bag and at equal lengths and thickness's but that doesn't make it absolutely controlled.
However the results are too consistent for me to say that it is a load of rubbish. There seems to be some truth in it.
I think we can agree that the whole subject is completely irrelevant to maintaining our razors edge though and that it is not compulsory to have more than one straight razor.
I see you have your view and that is based on intelligent thinking and I respect that, I just wanted you to consider my observations before you completely dismiss the idea.
If nothing else I'm sure this debate has provided plenty of entertainment to the other members!
antdad said:
It wasn't intended as pseudo science, merely an analogy to explain what I think happens.
"you're making yourself look silly."
We were having a civilised discussion until now.
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django said:
Well said, I was expressing an opinion about a theory, I was in no way meaning to put down the person who posted it, if my posts came across in that fashion I sincerely apologise.
I inject a bit of sarcasm in my posts sometimes, this is intended as a humorous aside, some people can take it the wrong way.
Regards
John
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django said:
I apologise for appearing uncivilised, I find the abandonment of scientific principle over pseudo science to be equally so. You state what you observe as fact without any measurement or rigour and then add a misleading analogy because it's what you think suits your model, that is pseudo science. You theorised about the metal clearly having some "memory effect" because it is a convenient if not plausible explaination to the uninitiated but what is most revealing is that if you actually knew what it was you would not have suggested it.
django said:
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Fine... Can we get back to science?
Blades hold a straight edge at the molecular and super-molecular level; they dull when the fine edge is bent or rolled back upon itself, although the degree of bend is invisibly small. Stropping the blade isn't meant to remove metal but to reestablish the edge.
The blade we're using is cutting hair not being used in a way that would abuse it's edge.
When we're talking at this molecular level than 'resting' seems a real possibility.
Blades hold a straight edge at the molecular and super-molecular level; they dull when the fine edge is bent or rolled back upon itself, although the degree of bend is invisibly small. Stropping the blade isn't meant to remove metal but to reestablish the edge.
The blade we're using is cutting hair not being used in a way that would abuse it's edge.
When we're talking at this molecular level than 'resting' seems a real possibility.
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Keep praying Johnus
Cutting anything will compromise the edge and stropping (because no material is actually removed) is more to do with plastic deformation. If your edge has visbly "rolled" it wasn't a very good one.
See the edge (x2k) of this freshly stroped razor? No continuous ribbon or band or marching iron molecules with a good memory.
Cutting anything will compromise the edge and stropping (because no material is actually removed) is more to do with plastic deformation. If your edge has visbly "rolled" it wasn't a very good one.
See the edge (x2k) of this freshly stroped razor? No continuous ribbon or band or marching iron molecules with a good memory.
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WOW! I thought this was about shaving, ie removing facial hair by the means of cutting it off with whatever preferred version of a knife that one chooses? Maybe I was wrong.
I own one (1) straight razor. I give it a go every night. I strop it before I shave, and after to remove moisture. When I can feel it has lost a little sharpness, I give it 5 laps on a chromium oxide pasted piece of balsa.
It performs very well, and it removes hair from my face like a charm. It is the smoothest blade I have ever put to my face, even after the chromium oxide lapping.
Have I just been lucky?
/Max
I own one (1) straight razor. I give it a go every night. I strop it before I shave, and after to remove moisture. When I can feel it has lost a little sharpness, I give it 5 laps on a chromium oxide pasted piece of balsa.
It performs very well, and it removes hair from my face like a charm. It is the smoothest blade I have ever put to my face, even after the chromium oxide lapping.
Have I just been lucky?
/Max
antdad said:Keep praying Johnus
Cutting anything will compromise the edge and stropping (because no material is actually removed) is more to do with plastic deformation. If your edge has visbly "rolled" it wasn't a very good one.
See the edge (x2k) of this freshly stroped razor? No continuous ribbon or band or marching iron molecules with a good memory.
Hi Antdad. A great photo but does ir really prove a point given that it was stropped? I was thinking that you have the technology to prove the theory one way or another by taking photos of the following:
1 Freshly stropped blade just prior to shaving.
2 Just after shaving to show the extend of degradation.
3 leave for 48 hours - pyramid optional - then see if there really is any difference from the post shave state.
4 strop and then re-examine to compare with previous state.
What do you think - are you up for it?
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I thought I would try and add a practical test to this thread. So, rather than "resting" a straight, I decided to shave with the same one for a week.
Last Monday morning I took out a freshly sharpened straight, and have shaved with the same razor Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday and this morning, with only stropping before and after each shave.
I don't know whether the "Fin" actually exists or not, what I can tell you is, it makes no difference. The quality of the shave I have had each morning has not diminished in any way by not resting my razor. I intend to finish the week off, and will post again next Sunday, but so far, the existence or non existence of the so called fin is completely immaterial, as far as I can see.
Last Monday morning I took out a freshly sharpened straight, and have shaved with the same razor Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday and this morning, with only stropping before and after each shave.
I don't know whether the "Fin" actually exists or not, what I can tell you is, it makes no difference. The quality of the shave I have had each morning has not diminished in any way by not resting my razor. I intend to finish the week off, and will post again next Sunday, but so far, the existence or non existence of the so called fin is completely immaterial, as far as I can see.
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My new razor arrived yesterday.
It is scarily sharp.
I am going to let it rest in its box... until I pluck up courage to use it!!!
It is scarily sharp.
I am going to let it rest in its box... until I pluck up courage to use it!!!
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MisterG said:
Mind you don't leave it resting in its box too long, or it will be really, really sharp by the time you get around to using it. :icon_rolleyes:
