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Knives Act 1997
http://www.legislation.hmso.gov.uk/...7/1997021.htm#1
1. - (1) A person is guilty of an offence if he markets a knife in a way which-
(a) indicates, or suggests, that it is suitable for combat; or
(b) is otherwise likely to stimulate or encourage violent behaviour involving the use of the knife as a weapon.
(2) "Suitable for combat" and "violent behaviour" are defined in section 10.
(3) For the purposes of this Act, an indication or suggestion that a knife is suitable for combat may, in particular, be given or made by a name or description-
(a) applied to the knife;
(b) on the knife or on any packaging in which it is contained; or
(c) included in any advertisement which, expressly or by implication, relates to the knife.
"suitable for combat" means suitable for use as a weapon for inflicting injury on a person or causing a person to fear injury.
Summary of British Knife Law
Primarily from the Criminal Justice Act, 1988
Bladed items etc:- section 139 Offence of having article with blade or point in public place
(1) Subject to subsections (4) and (5) below, any person who has an article to which this section applies with him in a public place shall be guilty of an offence.
(2) Subject to subsection (3) below, this section applies to any article which has a blade or is sharply pointed except a folding pocketknife.
(3) This section applies to a folding pocketknife if the cutting edge of its blade exceeds 3 inches.
(4) It shall be a defence for a person charged with an offence under this section to prove4 that he had good reason5 or lawful authority for having the article with him in a public place.
(5) Without prejudice to the generality of subsection
(4) above, it shall be a defence for a person charged with an offence under this section to prove that he had the article with him—
(a) for use at work;
(b) for religious reasons; or
(c) as part of any national costume.
(6) A person guilty of an offence under subsection (1) above shall be liable on summary conviction to a fine not exceeding level 3 on the standard scale.
(7) In this section “public place†includes any place to which at the material time the public have or are permitted access, whether on payment or otherwise.
(8 ) This section shall not have effect in relation to anything done before it comes into force.
[Criminal Justice Act 1988, s 139 as amended by the Offensive Weapons Act 1996, s 3.]
1 Sections 139–142 of the Criminal Justice Act 1988 which are printed here came into force on the 29 September 1988. For other provisions of the Criminal Justice Act 1988, see in particular Part I: Magistrates' Courts, Procedure,
2 Part XI contains ss 133–167.
3 For a knife to be a folding pocket-knife within the meaning of this section, it must be readily and immediately foldable at all times, simply by the folding process. A lock-knife, which required a further process, namely activating a trigger mechanism to fold the blade back into the handle, was held not to be a folding pocket-knife (Harris v DPP [1993] 1 All ER 562); followed in R v Deegan [1998] Crim LR 562,[1998] 2 Cr App Rep 121. The section applies to articles which have a blade or are sharply pointed, falling into the same broad category as a knife or sharply pointed instrument;
it does not apply to a screwdriver just because it has a blade (R v Davis [1998] Crim LR 564).
4 Once the prosecution has discharged the burden of proving the ingredients of the offence against s 139(1), the defendant is guilty unless he can discharge the burden imposed by s 139(4) of the Act; see Godwin v DPP (1993) 96 Cr App Rep 244.
5 The fact that a defendant has forgotten that he has with him an article to which s 139 applies does not constitute a defence of good reason within s 139(4)(DPP v Gregson (1992) 157 JP 201).
6 Interpretation of the ordinay everyday use of “for use at work†is not a matter of law but it is for the justices to decide for themselves what the phrase means in the context of the case.
Therefore possession of a bladed article by an unemployed mechanic to do some repairs on his car that was parked in the road could come within this defence, see R v Manning [1998] Crim LR 198, CA.
7 For procedure in respect of this offence which is triable either way, see the Magistrates' Courts Act 1980, ss 17A-21, in Part I: Magistrates' Courts, Procedure, .
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139A Offence of having article with blade or point (or offensive weapon) on school premises
(1) Any person who has an article to which section 139 of this Act applies with him on school premises shall be guilty of an offence.
(2) Any person who has an offensive weapon within the meaning of section 1 of the Prevention of Crime Act 1953 with him on school premises shall be guilty of an offence. (3) It shall be defence for a person charged with an offence under subsection (1) or (2) above to prove that he had good reason or lawful authority for having the article or weapon with him on the premises in question. (4) Without prejudice to the generality of subsection (3) above, it shall be a defence for a person charged with an offence under subsection (1) or (2) above to prove that he had the article or weapon in question with him— (a) for use at work,
(b) for educational purposes,
(c) for religious reasons, or
(d) as part of any national costume.
(5) A person guilty of an offence—
(a) under subsection (1) above shall be liable1—
(i) on summary conviction to imprisonment for a term not exceeding six months, or a fine not exceeding the statutory maximum, or both;
(ii) on conviction on indictment, to imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years, or a fine, or both;
(b) under subsection (2) above shall be liable—
(i) on summary conviction to imprisonment for a term not exceeding six months, or a fine not exceeding the statutory maximum, or both;
(ii) on conviction on indictment, to imprisonment for a term not exceeding four years, or a fine, or both. (6) In this section and section 139B,“school premises†means land used for the purposes of a school excluding any land occupied solely as a dwelling by a person employed at the school; and “school†has the meaning given by section 4 of the Education Act 1996
Other relevant acts:
The Restriction of Offensive Weapons Act, 1959
(if anyone can finsd an online source, let me know so I can update the link)
The criminal Justice Act, 1988
The Offensive Weapons Act, 1996
The Knives Act, 1997
The Criminal Justice Act 1988 (Offensive Weapons) Order 1988
The Criminal Justice Act 1988 (Offensive Weapons) Order 2002
http://www.legislation.hmso.gov.uk/...7/1997021.htm#1
1. - (1) A person is guilty of an offence if he markets a knife in a way which-
(a) indicates, or suggests, that it is suitable for combat; or
(b) is otherwise likely to stimulate or encourage violent behaviour involving the use of the knife as a weapon.
(2) "Suitable for combat" and "violent behaviour" are defined in section 10.
(3) For the purposes of this Act, an indication or suggestion that a knife is suitable for combat may, in particular, be given or made by a name or description-
(a) applied to the knife;
(b) on the knife or on any packaging in which it is contained; or
(c) included in any advertisement which, expressly or by implication, relates to the knife.
"suitable for combat" means suitable for use as a weapon for inflicting injury on a person or causing a person to fear injury.
Summary of British Knife Law
Primarily from the Criminal Justice Act, 1988
Bladed items etc:- section 139 Offence of having article with blade or point in public place
(1) Subject to subsections (4) and (5) below, any person who has an article to which this section applies with him in a public place shall be guilty of an offence.
(2) Subject to subsection (3) below, this section applies to any article which has a blade or is sharply pointed except a folding pocketknife.
(3) This section applies to a folding pocketknife if the cutting edge of its blade exceeds 3 inches.
(4) It shall be a defence for a person charged with an offence under this section to prove4 that he had good reason5 or lawful authority for having the article with him in a public place.
(5) Without prejudice to the generality of subsection
(4) above, it shall be a defence for a person charged with an offence under this section to prove that he had the article with him—
(a) for use at work;
(b) for religious reasons; or
(c) as part of any national costume.
(6) A person guilty of an offence under subsection (1) above shall be liable on summary conviction to a fine not exceeding level 3 on the standard scale.
(7) In this section “public place†includes any place to which at the material time the public have or are permitted access, whether on payment or otherwise.
(8 ) This section shall not have effect in relation to anything done before it comes into force.
[Criminal Justice Act 1988, s 139 as amended by the Offensive Weapons Act 1996, s 3.]
1 Sections 139–142 of the Criminal Justice Act 1988 which are printed here came into force on the 29 September 1988. For other provisions of the Criminal Justice Act 1988, see in particular Part I: Magistrates' Courts, Procedure,
2 Part XI contains ss 133–167.
3 For a knife to be a folding pocket-knife within the meaning of this section, it must be readily and immediately foldable at all times, simply by the folding process. A lock-knife, which required a further process, namely activating a trigger mechanism to fold the blade back into the handle, was held not to be a folding pocket-knife (Harris v DPP [1993] 1 All ER 562); followed in R v Deegan [1998] Crim LR 562,[1998] 2 Cr App Rep 121. The section applies to articles which have a blade or are sharply pointed, falling into the same broad category as a knife or sharply pointed instrument;
it does not apply to a screwdriver just because it has a blade (R v Davis [1998] Crim LR 564).
4 Once the prosecution has discharged the burden of proving the ingredients of the offence against s 139(1), the defendant is guilty unless he can discharge the burden imposed by s 139(4) of the Act; see Godwin v DPP (1993) 96 Cr App Rep 244.
5 The fact that a defendant has forgotten that he has with him an article to which s 139 applies does not constitute a defence of good reason within s 139(4)(DPP v Gregson (1992) 157 JP 201).
6 Interpretation of the ordinay everyday use of “for use at work†is not a matter of law but it is for the justices to decide for themselves what the phrase means in the context of the case.
Therefore possession of a bladed article by an unemployed mechanic to do some repairs on his car that was parked in the road could come within this defence, see R v Manning [1998] Crim LR 198, CA.
7 For procedure in respect of this offence which is triable either way, see the Magistrates' Courts Act 1980, ss 17A-21, in Part I: Magistrates' Courts, Procedure, .
8–22681
139A Offence of having article with blade or point (or offensive weapon) on school premises
(1) Any person who has an article to which section 139 of this Act applies with him on school premises shall be guilty of an offence.
(2) Any person who has an offensive weapon within the meaning of section 1 of the Prevention of Crime Act 1953 with him on school premises shall be guilty of an offence. (3) It shall be defence for a person charged with an offence under subsection (1) or (2) above to prove that he had good reason or lawful authority for having the article or weapon with him on the premises in question. (4) Without prejudice to the generality of subsection (3) above, it shall be a defence for a person charged with an offence under subsection (1) or (2) above to prove that he had the article or weapon in question with him— (a) for use at work,
(b) for educational purposes,
(c) for religious reasons, or
(d) as part of any national costume.
(5) A person guilty of an offence—
(a) under subsection (1) above shall be liable1—
(i) on summary conviction to imprisonment for a term not exceeding six months, or a fine not exceeding the statutory maximum, or both;
(ii) on conviction on indictment, to imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years, or a fine, or both;
(b) under subsection (2) above shall be liable—
(i) on summary conviction to imprisonment for a term not exceeding six months, or a fine not exceeding the statutory maximum, or both;
(ii) on conviction on indictment, to imprisonment for a term not exceeding four years, or a fine, or both. (6) In this section and section 139B,“school premises†means land used for the purposes of a school excluding any land occupied solely as a dwelling by a person employed at the school; and “school†has the meaning given by section 4 of the Education Act 1996
Other relevant acts:
The Restriction of Offensive Weapons Act, 1959
(if anyone can finsd an online source, let me know so I can update the link)
The criminal Justice Act, 1988
The Offensive Weapons Act, 1996
The Knives Act, 1997
The Criminal Justice Act 1988 (Offensive Weapons) Order 1988
The Criminal Justice Act 1988 (Offensive Weapons) Order 2002
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In brief - just the sharp edge itself.
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my new kroo...and daily users
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Here's my little daily Edc. Animal wallet, Spyderco Urban, Gerber artifact with small locking replaceable craft blade, pry bar bottle opener and phillips driver a great but small worthy little carry, and Fenix PD30 flashlight.
Jamie.
Jamie.
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cubert said:
I bet that's what you tell all the Girls.
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cubert said:
Does she have a sister?
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I've been carrying a Spyderco Dragonfly for a couple of weeks, clipless deep pocket, and it really is a superb wee knife. It does just about everything I use a folder for and is so easily carried and comfortable.
My everyday routine is a Spyderco Stretch for larger duties like slicing and the Dragonfly for really everything else.
Mark
My everyday routine is a Spyderco Stretch for larger duties like slicing and the Dragonfly for really everything else.
Mark
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Hi Mark,
The Dragonfly is a lovely little knife, I'm sorry I sold mine I had the fern green with G10 handles and VG10 blade.
Jamie
The Dragonfly is a lovely little knife, I'm sorry I sold mine I had the fern green with G10 handles and VG10 blade.
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I remain as mystified as I was at the start of the thread. Why would I routinely carry a knife? I can't remember feeling the lack of one... (which is just as well as I work in a school, and so I doubt I could get away with carrying anything of the sort).
What are you chaps doing with them?
What are you chaps doing with them?
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Dr Rick said:
Good question. How about everyday tasks like:
- opening parcels/packaging
- cutting string/rope
- preparing food
- cutting paper/cardboard
- trimming threads on clothing and fabric
- opening mail
- or any situation where someone looks around and says 'is there a knife/scissors I can use?'
Those are just small random everyday tasks. Depending on your employment or hobbies, the list of uses for a knife becomes huge.
I have a small folding knife in my pocket most of the time. Sometimes it stays there unused all day, other times it is required several times a day. Each time I use it, I'm glad it was there.
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My wee A. Wright & Son of Sheffield Ettrick pocket knife is in my back pocket as I type. It's part of daily attire much like my watch and I'd rather not be without it. Can you imagine what SWMBO would say if I took a kitchen knife into the garden to the job of the Ettrick? Next time I used that knife would probably be to pull it out of my own bleeding torso! What jobs? Cutting twine, trimming tree ties, cutting thread after I've braided the twine and whipped it with said thread, trimmed an Ash tree support the other day, taking plant cuttings if the secateurs aren't to hand (usually lying somewhere forgotten - good job they're bright red) and sometimes I sit and whittle with it. Sharpening it till it will shave the hairs off my arm can be quite therapeutic too. A man needs a wee knife in his pocket for all the things he does in his day. Unless of course he works at a School where he may not carry a pocket knife as it is illegal regardless of reason.
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Dr Rick said:
It's one of those you have to carry one to know what they are used for things isn't it? If you aren't used to having a penknife on you will do all those little jobs in a different way i.e. in the kitchen.
I've carried a penknife as long as I can remember, I use it everyday for all sorts of stuff because it's there rather than because it is the best tool for every job.
Stick a penknife in your pocket and you'd use it once in a blue moon - at least for the first six months, then you'd be as bad as the rest of us! ;-)