Pentasodium Pentetate: Floris & D.R. Harris

[ischiapp]

Banned in EU this component, and its products.
Some soaps by Floris & D.R. Harris.
Found prone to CMR toxicity.
Category 1B.

Gentlemen Style FB​

 

[globalm]

Pentasodium Pentetate is currently banned in the EU and is expected to be banned in the UK soon. At that point, or earlier, no doubt formulae will be changed. It is not present in all products. If you are concerned, check the ingredients.

 

[cvac9999]

The amount used in a shaving soap will be minuscule. The problem with the chart above is that it doesn't specify the risk for a given concentration.

 

[ischiapp]

If you are concerned, check the ingredients.

For now, I've updated the products found with PP.

The problem ...

... is the repetition.
The drop holes the stone.

 

[cvac9999]

Here is a study from NIH. There are probably more studies out there as well. A chart with no context or detailed info is worthless.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18830865/

 

[Ian5]

Bit alarming!

 

[Ian5]

Do you think they will all reformulate or just pack in soap and go cream only?

 

[exists]

Listed also in the Cyril R Salter soap, presumably it's the same base as for the solid soaps from DR Harris.

 

[McShaver]

DR Harris is my favourite soap maker should I/we stop using then now or is it safe to carry on using them

 

[cvac9999]

Do you think they will all reformulate or just pack in soap and go cream only?

The factory that makes it will simply substitute a different ingredient to appease the EU. Same thing will likely happen as what happened when all the stupid paranoia about parabens was going wild about a decade ago.

Companies had to take it out or risk loss of sales despite a minuscule amount of the ingredient in the products that was never proved to cause serious harm.

Don't think those substituted ingredients will come with their own downsides and potential risks? Sorry but things don't work that way. At least the quantity again, will be minuscule.

Here are some relevant screenshots from the study. First the conclusion, then the concentrations (percentages) used in the products. Who is ingesting huge quantities of this stuff or slathering concentrated industrial amounts on their body and face? I know I am not.

If you are really paranoid, make sure you throw out any household cleaning products, detergents, colognes, etc. because a lot of those contain potentially harmful ingredients as well. So do substances that occur in nature. Even something seemingly innocuous as Bergamot or Lavender EO can cause horrible reactions in some folks.

 

[McShaver]

Has Harris soaps went through any re-formulations as all mine are at least 11 years old.

 

[cvac9999]

Has Harris soaps went through any re-formulations as all mine are at least 11 years old.

Mine are probably about a decade old. Some of the newer ones have a slightly different formula going by ingredients list. Tallowate is the first ingredient now on some of them. Before it was 2nd or 3rd.

Lately I have been using the DRH creams in my rotation. Rose and Sandalwood.

 

[McShaver]

Thanks for the reply and f**k it I’m using my favourite Arlington soap for tomorrow’s shave.

 

[joe mcclaine]

FFS, water will kill you in a big enough quantity

Loosen your bra straps and live a bit

You've got to die of something

 

[pjgh]

Quick skim across my soaps reveals the British hard soaps (which we believe are all from a common formulation) ...

Crabtree & Evelyn
Culmak
Cyril R Salter
DR Harris
Trumpers
Truefitt & Hill

... but also:

L'Occitane
De Vergulde Hand
LEA Classic
Muhle
Tabac ... the veg reformulation (NOT the older tallow formulation)

... so, errr not that "banned" in the EU, then?

... and:
EcoWarrior Shaving Bar ... okay, the first (good?) formulation

I went through a phase of striving for ingredient purity, but given how laughably poor our food chain is puts it into perspective.

 

[ischiapp]

Here are some relevant screenshots from the study.

Here the study. Not just the abstact.
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/epdf/10.1080/10915810802244546

It watches the acute toxicology only.
... and It's not up-to-date.

IMHO, I don't care about.
There're thousends of products without toxics.
I've update the list, and now are dozens with.