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Anders Larsen in his book, "Sharp Practice", recommends Thiers-Issard razors almost above all others, and yet when I did a search on this forum for "Thiers", it came back with almost nothing.

What's the story?
 
Try this! :mrgreen:

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Ahh, The Invisible Edge... I already have a Dovo straight and strop from that site, which I bought before I knew what I was doing, and before I had been introduced to Neil Miller and The Strop Shop.

I just wondered if others considered TI straights to be the Rolls Royce of the straight razor, and what their experiences were.
 
cheese_dave said:
I just wondered if others considered TI straights to be the Rolls Royce of the straight razor, and what their experiences were.

Others do consider one particular TI razor to be the Rolls Royce of razors. That razor is the 'Le Grelot' 6/8" 1/4 hollow. All remaining stocks of these razors have been snaffled after a few well-timed posts on some forums.

There are loads of reviews and opinions on Badger and Blade and Straight Razor Place.

I reckon some of the praise is from people who spent a ridiculous amount on their razor and now have to justify their spending though.

I wouldn't mind giving one a whirl - but not for the £300 it would probably cost me.

Other TI razors are highly regarded such as the 6/8" 3/4 ground which sells for about £100.

These razors are old stock as TI have now changed their steel - and that is something that has prompted mixed reviews.
 
I have used several vintage (ie, quite old!) Le Grelots - they sharpen well, steel is great and they shaved very well. But is there a real difference between any two razors that shave very well? I think Joe has hit the nail on the head - it depends on what you spend. If you spend an inordinate amount, I reckon you are more likely to expect - and imagine you get - exemplary results. Let a barber shave you with a good £300 razor on one side of the face and a good £30 razor on the other side of the face while you (not the barber - unless you have Sweeny Todd meat-pie tendencies) wear a blindfold and I doubt if you could tell the difference.

A chap from Scandinavia sent me one of the (then) new-vintage TIs to hone - factory fresh and supposedly shave-ready some time ago. I always examine the blade under magnification before starting, and what I saw was startling. The steel had very, very many bubble-like pinholes in it, and obvious grind marks going at 45 degree angles to each other. I emailed the owner, and he asked me to send it back to TI in France after agreeing a return with them for another razor of the same type. They said that the grind-marks were there because they had a large number of vintage blanks (hence the NOS name) that were now rusty and had to be reground. I don't know what the pinholes were - they looked like casting faults, but I suppose they could be rust pits that had been cleaned in some way - acid dipping or something like that, maybe. It turned out that he had already sent two razors back to them, I think he said that they had warped blades!

TI were supposed to send the razor back to me to check the hone-job, but they said that all those new-old-stock razors were sold out, and offered a replacement, which was accepted. Nearly a year later there was still no sign of the razor, so the owner contacted the english company that had supplied him, and they sent a replacement to me for checking. It didn't have a stunning hone-job, but that was corrected and I sent it back to Scandinavia. It ended up costing not far short of £40 in insured postage fees to be kept waiting for year and then not getting what you really wanted in the first place. So much for TI. Unimpressed.

For me, its the steel that makes the difference, all other things being equal. Old Sheffield steel has a smooth sublime feel to it (on my face) whereas brand new steel formulations are far too sharp and uncomfortable for me.

I'm surprised that with a name like Anders Larsen, that author didn't recommend a C. V. Heljestrand - from my experience the vintage ones were every bit as good - if not better - than TIs. Just my opinion, though!

Regards,
Neil
 
Neil Miller said:
For me, its the steel that makes the difference, all other things being equal. Old Sheffield steel has a smooth sublime feel to it (on my face) whereas brand new steel formulations are far too sharp and uncomfortable for me.
This is an interesting observation. I have no expertise with razors, but what Neil says exactly mirrors my experience with chisels and plane irons. The very best new British made tools from small specialist makers are generally made from O1 or similar, a fairly old fashioned and by modern standards simple steel, but which includes significant quantities of enhancers such as manganese, silicon, chromium, tungsten and vanadium, to change properties such as toughness, ductility, corrosion resistance and so forth. Such tools tend to come sharp quite readily, take a really rather good, smooth edge, and hold it acceptably, but they still do not come close to the vintage "cast steel" of say, a hundred years ago or more. I'm on somewhat shaky ground here, but I'd strongly suspect that the older steel is a simpler formulation, and that the carbides formed in the hardening phase are smaller, giving a smoother edge. The payoff is reduced resistance to rust and decreased edge retention for a given hardness, but the latter makes for easier sharpening. Provided that one is prepared to take steps to avoid rusting, and to fettle the edge frequently, it's no surprise that the older razors outperform the new ones.
 
I can't remember which Bond book it is where Ian Fleming wrote about the fact that 007 liked to hear experts talk about their subject, even if it wasn't a subject he himself was interested in.

I'm like that when I read posts such as the above few, so full of in depth knowledge about a subject I'm only dipping my toes into.

Keep it coming, folks, I love this stuff. Any recommended reading about history of razors???
 
Sorry to resurrect this ancient thread from the nostalgia file, but I was given the very same book this Xmas and I also noticed the recommendation for Thiers Issard... I'm also considering shelling out for my first cut-throat blade.

Trouble is, as far as I can see Thiers Issard blades all seem to be made from carbon steel, and despite the post in the sticky recommending carbon steel razors as decent choices for a newbie, in all honesty I'd rather avoid the bother of taking steps to prevent rusting. So if anyone can recommend a good, sub-£100 stainless steel cut-throat as a nice starting razor, I'd be much obliged. Someone in another thread mentioned the Dovo En Vogue?
 
If you intend to use the razor on a regular basis I don't see any reason to have concerns about the type of steel used. Simple basis precautions such as not storing in a damp or humid environment, wiping/honing dry after use and perhaps a small application of oil if not to be used within a week or so, should ensure that you do not have to worry about rust.

My razor collection gets used between every 14 and every 30 days - none f them has any sign of damage.
 
I'm not going to put any body off a TI, razor hell I have one, a plain Le dandy it's a nicely made razor,but interestingly I don't get drawn to shaving with it any where near as I should be, preferring the Stainforth.

Of what steel the Stainforth is made from I just don't know,all I know it's not the same steel that TI are using today( and that's not a slure on TI Neather) the only thing Ive found out about the stainforth is it was made somewhare about 1785-180O ish.
 
You should be able to get a good vintage stainless for around £100, maybe even NOS (New Old Stock) - Friodur (a Henckels line) are nice ... If you beat around the bush (Ebay) some, I think you could get lucky, here's one for a little more than 100, but maybe he accepts 100 as an offer, but then you've shipping and possible customs fees ...:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/J-A-HENCKELS-Zwillingswerk-Germany-Twinworks-Friodur-No-Stain-Straight-Razor-/330850114362?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4d08341b3a
 
I have a 355 5/8 'Le Grelot' and from my experience the steel seems to be much harder than any other razor I own, at least that's how it feels on the hones, it's also heavier than my other 5/8's the 1/4 hollow grind leaving more steel on the blade would account for that I suppose.

On the subject of 'top makes', what about Filarmonica?
 
Re the link I put up - I would ask for pics of the dent he's talking about ("Small ding in cutting edge, nothing serious.") and ask him if he shaves with straights and actually knows it's not a problem, before buying.
 
To be quite honest, other than Dovo and Henckels I actually don't know of any modern maker who uses stainless steel. Gold Dollar says they make one, but haven't actually seen it.

Better off going vintage in terms of best value. Plenty of old stainless blades lying around.

Btw, stainless is superior because it holds its edge longer. Not sure why it hasn't caught on.
 
asharperrazor said:
To be quite honest, other than Dovo and Henckels I actually don't know of any modern maker who uses stainless steel. Gold Dollar says they make one, but haven't actually seen it.

Better off going vintage in terms of best value. Plenty of old stainless blades lying around.

Btw, stainless is superior because it holds its edge longer. Not sure why it hasn't caught on.

Hi Lee,

Boker make a few stainless steel models. http://www.heinnie.com/Grooming/Boker/Boker-Edge-Razor-Olive-Stainless/p-1143-1147-5455/

Jamie
 
pugh-the-special-one said:
asharperrazor said:
To be quite honest, other than Dovo and Henckels I actually don't know of any modern maker who uses stainless steel. Gold Dollar says they make one, but haven't actually seen it.

Better off going vintage in terms of best value. Plenty of old stainless blades lying around.

Btw, stainless is superior because it holds its edge longer. Not sure why it hasn't caught on.

Hi Lee,

Boker make a few stainless steel models. http://www.heinnie.com/Grooming/Boker/Boker-Edge-Razor-Olive-Stainless/p-1143-1147-5455/

Jamie

And Wacker http://www.shavingshop.com/index.php?item=394&ret=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.shavingshop.com%2Findex.php%3Fpage%3D1%26category%3D74
 
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