thanks for the info guys, im gonn try that stuff daz kindly offered.
Prof. Blighty has offered to do me a pure glycerine, unscented soap, Nanny's do an unscented with goats and i'll check out the stuff you guys advised.
so from having no idea... i now seem to have a veritable smorgasbord of soaps to try
Can't believe nobody mentioned proraso white. It's not like the pre shave stuff as there is no menthol. Decent, cheap and performs quite well. Not mind blowing but for the price very good.
P&B unscented, thirsty but with plenty of water and brush work lather will be thick and slick, got a soapy smell (unscented is rarely the same as no smell at all)
I've found the Vitos Green to fade away by the time you have lathered your face up with it. It's tallow based so it helps the razor glide. Unfortunately it is sold in 1000gr block, but there are some sellers on eBay that sell 100/150gr to "try" it.