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texaspete said:This was alluded to earlier, but is it coincidental that Shaving Station stopped selling US artisan soaps at same time this thread started?
pjgh said:It would be useful for folks who want to engage in this to have some facts around what constitutes a 'standard' in the US, notably around use of toxic ingredients and the thresholds permissible.
Just one of a number of examples is the concentration of essential oils, which are kept to what is considered a "safe" level in the EU, agreed by specialists and checked through by a qualified Toxicologist, yet appear to be entirely unchecked in the US. Artisans may well have the best of intentions in mind when creating their soaps, but may well be unwittingly exceeding "safe" levels to achieve a given effect.
globalm said:I had not realised until Carl's last post that Burgundy chooses to hide behind an anonymising server to post his 'helpful information'. I think that says much about his motivation and the probable commercial category to which he belongs. His comments have throughout been about serving specific interests and have no bearing on the indivduals who post here, the vast majority of whom understand the relevent legislation, find it stupid and circumvent it legally whereever possible.
Write that letter/email NOW!
Hi yep agree, it is political, however, can you expand on your comment regarding the regulations and definite protection. I ask this as I understand strong fragrance oils (by strong I mean concentration of iso propyls) are used which contain a high toxicity risk when used aas a cosmetic; yet none of this information (strength /concentration) is provided on the packaging as a consumer.MarshalArtist said:I don't think regulations will protect you from irritation. That is a case by case sort of thing. If you have a reaction, stop using the product will be the only advice. What they should protect against is harmful ingredients and they do.
I reiterate, the United States is not a backwater country. The regulation of harmful chemicals is the same as you have in Europe as is the sale of products that may contain them. That's not the problem. The difficulties are those of fair trade. Western European standards are, for the most part, given parity--a notable exception is pharmaceuticals, which are more strictly regulated here than in some EU countries.
The situation all of this creates is one where European manufacturers may sell to the US, while US manufactures are not able to sell in the EU without paying for the ability to do so. That disparity will probably lead to the US and Canadian governments becoming involved.
Bechet45 said:If all this is about fragrance concentrations, it boils down to one set of Nanny State experts disagreeing with another set of experts in a country that trusts it's citizens as mature adults, capable of making their own choices.
Count of Undolpho said:Bechet45 said:If all this is about fragrance concentrations, it boils down to one set of Nanny State experts disagreeing with another set of experts in a country that trusts it's citizens as mature adults, capable of making their own choices.
I spat my coffee out at that one cheers!
Well, let us be honest. This is the same country that forbids liquids in bottles larger than 3 oz. to be carried on an airplane regardless of how much is actually in the container. This is the same country that inspects your shoes at the airport because some nut job tried to light hits shoes on fire once. (Thankfully, we still get to wear our pants on planes even though someone tried to light his on fire on the way to Detroit Metropolitan. [emoji54]) I think "trust" may not be the right word. Our government is hardly that libertarian.Bechet45 said:Count of Undolpho said:Bechet45 said:If all this is about fragrance concentrations, it boils down to one set of Nanny State experts disagreeing with another set of experts in a country that trusts it's citizens as mature adults, capable of making their own choices.
I spat my coffee out at that one cheers!
Before we disappear into an anti-US fairyland, let's remember we are talking about shaving soap.
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