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Please provide a source for this claim. And if you are able to do that can you explain why in your previous post you felt the need to claim that it was unsustainable?Hair Shirt said:Plan A (£) is not a long term solution. That is why Plan B, whatever it is, needs to be known.
ravey said:It works for other countries, but apparently Scots are incapable of doing things everyone else can do. It may not be the best solution but there's plenty of evidence to suggest it would work. Just saying it wouldn't isn't good enough. If it wasn't viable then the great negative campaign would have been all over it rather than putting so much emphasis on refusing it. In fact a couple of hours ago it was no plan B that was bothering you, and it wasn't until that was debunked that you've suddenly realised how flawed plan A is.
mr..bean said:What other countries does it work for? Does a proud, independent Scotland really see itself as the next Montenegro or Vatican City?!
Oh come on, carnage indeed. You're talking about a country that held peaceful protests when the landlords made massive increases to rent for the families of men off fighting in the trenches of WWI. Again in 1920 when the General Strike took place we held demonstrations while White Russian, Bolsheviks and Mensheviks were running around tearing strips out of each other, which is what the UK government feared here. We have a history of voting and not getting our way without throwing our toys out the pram, why would this be different?I actually fear for Scotland either way. Whatever happens a 2% winning margin on either side will mean carnage. Plus do we know which side of the argument people are? If all the money and brains in Scotland are on the 'No' side and they all leave in the event of a 'Yes' vote then that won't be good for Scotland. I only actually know one person who get's to vote this week and he lives in Edinburgh.
Of course we should get what we vote for, that's how it works. Not sure how the rest of that paragraph is related to that though.I just hope Scotland end up getting whatever they actually vote for because I have yet to see a single reason you would vote yes other than anything that could be plucked from the entertaining 2.5 hours of Braveheart.
You appear to have some sort of cartoon image of Scots. It's been stated many times already why some Scots want independence and I didn't see a single case of aggrievement being put forward. Blustering self determination nonsense? That's the kind of arrogant wanker attitude we've had to put with for a long time. I don't need your fake apologies. There's a lot of support down south (but not here, another potential for us not being represented) to leave Europe, I trust you think that's nonsense.PLus why do Scotland feel so aggrieved at membership of the United Kingdom? They are the one country that freely walked into union with England, unlike Ireland and Wales? All this blustering self determination is just nonsense. Sorry but it is. If the Shetlands vote 'No' and insist they want to be independant from Scotland will the rest of Scotland respect their unique, Norse heritage? They have a much better argument for it than Scotland as a whole, Shetland would patently be better off being independent from Scotland or the UK due to the enormous oil reserves in their waters, it would make them mega rich,
Would Alex Salmond let them have a referendum on independence? I bet you your old age pension and your health service that he won't.
IanM said:I would like them to stay, but it's in their hands. There is no right/wrong as far as I am concerned.
If they do go, I hope that the people of Scotland realise that, in all likeliness, they're just going to get an Edinburgh version of Westminster. Politicians are politicians, no matter which side of Hadrians wall they reside.
Ian
Blyth Spirit said:IanM said:I would like them to stay, but it's in their hands. There is no right/wrong as far as I am concerned.
If they do go, I hope that the people of Scotland realise that, in all likeliness, they're just going to get an Edinburgh version of Westminster. Politicians are politicians, no matter which side of Hadrians wall they reside.
Ian
I was born and bred North of the Wall but South of the frontier - that's a big chunk of England.
Politically the bigger picture needs looking at; the opportunity to be rid of 41 Labour MPs and a Scottish socialist, benefits culture is too good to miss. It is a distinct possibility that this would mean we would never allow Labour to bankrupt the country again. For the life of me I cannot understand David Cameron's stance on this issue...
Vote YES for England's sake.
:angel:
Ben88 said:Blyth Spirit said:IanM said:I would like them to stay, but it's in their hands. There is no right/wrong as far as I am concerned.
If they do go, I hope that the people of Scotland realise that, in all likeliness, they're just going to get an Edinburgh version of Westminster. Politicians are politicians, no matter which side of Hadrians wall they reside.
Ian
I was born and bred North of the Wall but South of the frontier - that's a big chunk of England.
Politically the bigger picture needs looking at; the opportunity to be rid of 41 Labour MPs and a Scottish socialist, benefits culture is too good to miss. It is a distinct possibility that this would mean we would never allow Labour to bankrupt the country again. For the life of me I cannot understand David Cameron's stance on this issue...
Vote YES for England's sake.
:angel:
David as a half Scot myself, I have to say I wholly agree with you on this.
UKRob said:Ben88 said:Blyth Spirit said:IanM said:I would like them to stay, but it's in their hands. There is no right/wrong as far as I am concerned.
If they do go, I hope that the people of Scotland realise that, in all likeliness, they're just going to get an Edinburgh version of Westminster. Politicians are politicians, no matter which side of Hadrians wall they reside.
Ian
I was born and bred North of the Wall but South of the frontier - that's a big chunk of England.
Politically the bigger picture needs looking at; the opportunity to be rid of 41 Labour MPs and a Scottish socialist, benefits culture is too good to miss. It is a distinct possibility that this would mean we would never allow Labour to bankrupt the country again. For the life of me I cannot understand David Cameron's stance on this issue...
Vote YES for England's sake.
:angel:
David as a half Scot myself, I have to say I wholly agree with you on this.
It was pointed out in an earlier thread (and came as a surprise to me) that the number of Scottish Labour MPs has never played a decisive part in the UK governement - apart from one occasion. In other words, taking them out of the equation would not have resulted in a different party in power.
Rebec911 said:Interesting comments from Orthopaedic Surgeons saying they feel there is no risk of NHS privatisation in the event of a no vote.
They are though concerned about the effects of independence on Clinical care and future staff recruitment.
Ben88 said:UKRob said:Ben88 said:Blyth Spirit said:IanM said:I would like them to stay, but it's in their hands. There is no right/wrong as far as I am concerned.
If they do go, I hope that the people of Scotland realise that, in all likeliness, they're just going to get an Edinburgh version of Westminster. Politicians are politicians, no matter which side of Hadrians wall they reside.
Ian
I was born and bred North of the Wall but South of the frontier - that's a big chunk of England.
Politically the bigger picture needs looking at; the opportunity to be rid of 41 Labour MPs and a Scottish socialist, benefits culture is too good to miss. It is a distinct possibility that this would mean we would never allow Labour to bankrupt the country again. For the life of me I cannot understand David Cameron's stance on this issue...
Vote YES for England's sake.
:angel:
David as a half Scot myself, I have to say I wholly agree with you on this.
It was pointed out in an earlier thread (and came as a surprise to me) that the number of Scottish Labour MPs has never played a decisive part in the UK governement - apart from one occasion. In other words, taking them out of the equation would not have resulted in a different party in power.
Not sure on this myself, the majority of Scotland has always been Labour. Surely that must count for something? Labour are up there desperately chasing the no vote in my opinion to show willing but more than anything to save their backsides.
I heard on the radio this week that Scotlands disability benefit bill is more than that of England, Wales and Ireland combined. How true that is, I don't know. Either way, I am really struggling to see how Scotland would support themselves with things such as this and the withdrawal of University subsidies, prescription subsidies etc etc.
Bechet45 said:Quick question for anybody who knows - How is the count organised? I'm guessing in the same way that Parliamentary elections are counted and each area will declare results then somewhere someone will keep a tally of all the results - then declare yes - 49% and No - 51%, for example. Maybe they will just declare votes by the thousand and leave the BBC to calculate the percentages.
I'd love to know the percentages yes and no compared to the total electorate, not just of votes cast. Anyone TSR know the total number of the electorate?
pugh-the-special-one said:You also have to take into account that all the media TV Radio is under control of the NO brigade so the polls would definitely be influenced by them, as a neutral all I see is the negative intimidation from Westminster nothing about what Scotland could gain from independence but a selfish what the UK would lose should they get the yes vote If I were Sottish I would vote yes.
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