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Bechet45 said:Who knows what the turn out was overall?
Doggycam said:I'm disappointed, but the majority have spoken, and I respect that.
British politics needs to change and I hope we Scots have stirred it up and given the rUk food for thought.
Doggycam said:British politics needs to change and I hope we Scots have stirred it up and given the rUk food for thought.
"the times they are a changin".....................................................I hope
Bechet45 said:Doggycam said:I'm disappointed, but the majority have spoken, and I respect that.
British politics needs to change and I hope we Scots have stirred it up and given the rUk food for thought.
The majority of the 84% who bothered their arses to vote have spoken "No". Meaning 16% said nothing.
The first change in British politics needs to be mandatory voting, with an "Abstain" choice on every voting slip.
Next change needs to be that wannabe MPs must have at least five years work experience, taking home a working persons wage/salary.
Another change I'd like to see would be a requirement that a wannabe MP has a coal miner, steelworker, farm labourer, ship builder within two generations in his/her ancestry.
House of Lords fully elected; Church of England dis-established; Lothian Question answered in favour of the English; devolution of oh! so many powers to the regions; no coalition Governments - run as a Minority Government if you can. For starters!
But it's back to broken and unfulfillled promises again now and business as usual.
Doggycam said:16% not voting on an issue as important as this is scandalous.
chrisbell said:Doggycam said:Sorry old chap, that won't happen. Whether Tory or Labour, the Westminster parties are run by lobbyists and pressure from an English electorate who won't let their MPs get away with supporting further powers for Scotland even if the West Lothian question is resolved in England's favour.
What you might not appreciate from your vantage point in Scotland is how deeply conservative most of England is, both in terms of wanting to maintain the status quo and voting Tory. Take South Norfolk, the constituency in which I live - we're not the wealthiest area, but there are enough well-off arable farmers and Little Englanders to see us comfortably return Tory MPs at every General Election, with UKIP taking-over second place from the Lib Dems, Labour being nowhere, and Green voters being about as commonplace as hen's teeth. Cameron won't dare actually keep his pledges for greater devolved power as he has nothing to lose in Scotland - he has no need to do anything the Scots like, as it's England that votes in Tory governments, and it's those in the conservative Shires who would punish him next May should he have the temerity to offer anything to Scotland.
In addition, I'd be amazed if anti-Scottish sentiment in England didn't dramatically increase given that the vote was relatively close. That English Tory-voting majority tends to be fiercely proud of the UK, in part because they know their votes provide a majority of English MPs with the authority to run it according to their ideology given the weight of numbers in the consituent nations and the amount of tax raised on those populations. I would be surprised if the fact that 44.7% of Scots had the temerity to vote for independence didn't cause much annoyance amongst the G&T drinkers of the stockbroker belt and the Shires.
I'd like to point out that I don't agree with the viewpoints I've mentioned; I'm just pointing-out from the perspective of someone from a very Tory part of England that there will be huge pressure on the Tories (and a fair bit on Labour as well) to make a show of doing something for Scotland while actually doing the square root of sweet FA.
I like your post Chris)
These are exactly the reasons I voted Yes !
I lived in London for 17 years and whilst there could not believe the amount of people who voted tory due to delusions of being middle class. Also the lack of interest in ANYTHING North of Watford.
Doggycam said:Next change needs to be that wannabe MPs must have at least five years work experience, taking home a working persons wage/salary.
Another change I'd like to see would be a requirement that a wannabe MP has a coal miner, steelworker, farm labourer, ship builder within two generations in his/her ancestry.
Church of England dis-established
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