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Al H said:I believe the jocks have the right for their independence referendum as much as I think it will be the no vote
I believe all parties should give the British poeople the same opportunity
TRXnMe said:...
Despite that ^^ my chief objection is the existance of the unelected mandarins at the top.
I've cited HSE legislation as it's an area I'm familiar with, I've heard of other regulations in the pipeline, but am less aware of the likelihood of them being implemented.
RB73 said:
Welsh lamb farmers have had to constantly turn their cheeks and hold their tongues with regards to EU mandates and regulations with the threat of tighter controls and cost leveling to guarantee competition, until it became apparent a couple of years ago that in fact Wales is the biggest exporter of lamb outside of the EU in the world per cap.
In spite of EU underhand tactics to restrain it.
UKRob said:...and a budgeting system that has never passed audits because no-one can account for the billions that is syphoned off or goes missing.
Count of Undolpho said:RB73 said:
Welsh lamb farmers have had to constantly turn their cheeks and hold their tongues with regards to EU mandates and regulations with the threat of tighter controls and cost leveling to guarantee competition, until it became apparent a couple of years ago that in fact Wales is the biggest exporter of lamb outside of the EU in the world per cap.
In spite of EU underhand tactics to restrain it.
I take it this is just a Wiki made up bit then?
" The threat of the United Kingdom withdrawing from the European Union is also a fear for the farmers of Welsh as they anticipate "doom the Welsh sheep industry". The EU support to the Welsh rural community is reported to be of the order of about half a billion euros a year. The loss on this account could be an additional burden of £40 per lamb on the farmers."
UKRob said:...and a budgeting system that has never passed audits because no-one can account for the billions that is syphoned off or goes missing.
See "UK media – for example the Daily Mail, Daily Express and the Times – yet again reported that the European Court of Auditors (ECA) has not signed off the EU accounts. Some media -this time including the Daily Telegraph – claim that UK taxpayers will be liable to pay back GBP 800 million. Both statements are simply false.
The Court did in fact sign off as accurate the EU's accounts for 2012 – as it has done each year since 2007. It stated this clearly in its press release http://www.eca.europa.eu/en/Pages/AR_2012.aspx.
The ECA (not the European Commission) was so concerned by the flagrant inaccuracy of so many reports that it tweeted Mail online and other media in UK and beyond to request changes @EUAuditorsECA"
UKRob said:Count, are you saying there's no corruption in EU subsidies? How much is the net payment to the French for the CAP?
jb74 said:RB73 said:us (UK)to bailing out Eire to the tune of 7 +Billion
It's a loan... we're paying it back with interest ;-)
Rev-O said:jb74 said:RB73 said:us (UK)to bailing out Eire to the tune of 7 +Billion
It's a loan... we're paying it back with interest ;-)
Ah, the proud and noble Fenian republic, free from the overweaning interventions of Britain!
An independent Ireland indeed! ;-)
Jeltz said:The current situation is a world apart from the common market which was voted for nearly 40 years ago. The rise of UKIP is because none of the mainstream parties have offered any alternative so the public have been unable to cast a vote to reflect their feeling on the devolving of power which has happened.
chrisbell said:I would, however, ask a partly rhetorical question - if we are saying that there's no such thing as a bad decision in a democracy (which comprises millions of individuals), then, by extension, we must also say that one of those individuals ought not be dissuaded from making a decision, as any such dissuasion must be selfish not altruistic as there's no such thing as a dangerously wrong decision!:icon_rolleyes: Would you agree with that, or do you consider that if you saw someone wandering distractedly towards a cliff edge you might shout a warning?
Yes it is the dilution of the votes which concerns the parties, Ed Milliband and his team have played a very bad hand by saying something which made it sound like they might have a referendum but then had to admit they probably won't.Midas said:I think the most attractive thing for me about UKIP is the fact that they appear to scare the mainstream parties. That can only be a good thing.
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