Bechet45 said:PhilD said:
A common mistake - confusing punishment and discipline.
This isn't a storm in a tea-cup - it's about older people liking peace and quiet and younger people liking noise and clamour (so it seems to older folk). Some places, we expect to be quiet - libraries, coffee shops - and feel invaded when that quiet is disturbed. This happens a lot in school holidays and we feel grumpy about it. We also believe in parental responsibility and social responsiibility - how we were brought up years ago - and bemoan the lack of it.
pugh-the-special-one said:Bechet45 said:PhilD said:
A common mistake - confusing punishment and discipline.
This isn't a storm in a tea-cup - it's about older people liking peace and quiet and younger people liking noise and clamour (so it seems to older folk). Some places, we expect to be quiet - libraries, coffee shops - and feel invaded when that quiet is disturbed. This happens a lot in school holidays and we feel grumpy about it. We also believe in parental responsibility and social responsiibility - how we were brought up years ago - and bemoan the lack of it.
Well said Carl, I'm with you all the way, there was a time when parents were allowed to discipline their children, but for the last 30 years we have been ruled guided by a politically correct society full of hair brained social workers, telling you your child's behavior is down to his diet or some TV program he watched when he was was 3 years old everyones a victim, my Sister inlaw is a primary school teacher and she's always telling about kind of shit she as to deal with from kids and their dickhead parents, if a kid even shit's his pants you've got to send him or her home as you are not allowed to change the child, the UK as been part of a disastrous social experiment for many decades, and reading some of the posters here they have well and truly and wholeheartedly taken full part in this experiment. the trouble is they are of a certain age 30 something where the have never experienced another way so they can be forgiven as they don't know any better.
joe mcclaine said:My son (22) has ADHD and Dyslexia (they tend to go together)
He's probably the kind of child that most of you would rather be dead than sitting within a 25 foot radius of your lovely cup of mass-produced coffee.
Just as a 'heads up' it's blokes with ADHD that discovered new lands, and had the 'reckless abandon' to do the kind of stuff that would have most of your bollocks jumping back into your stomachs.
So, for probably the third time in this thread ... get over yourselves, you pretentious bellends.
spot onNortham Saint said:I appreciate where your coming from, and I have two kids one 12 and another 6.
I've often been in places with kids screaming the walls down and it's bloody annoying. But ours from an early age have been taken them out to eat and to coffee shops. We made it clear from the start that they sit still and be quiet and they do. I even had a colleague once on hearing we were taking them out comment on how brave we were and he wouldn't take his kids out. He and his wife were very well off and thought they were the dogs danglies with their money, flash cars, golf club membership etc etc. But their kids were horrors.
This afternoon we went to the cinema, the place was full of kids all making a racket and the nosiest one of all was the mum giving her kids running commentary on what was happening, not even lowering her voice. My six year old sat there not a whisper. Same on long haul flights, where I've had two people one out going and another one on the incoming flight tap me on the shoulder and say how well behaved they were.
It's all I how you bring them up and solely down to the parents. I feel my kids shouldn't have an impact on others and their enjoyment of a meal, coffee or flight, etc. My kids are far from perfect but they know when to behave.
Fido said:Just back from a coffee shop full of people of all ages, including children.
All was well!
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