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Fascinating photos Ulysses

What you said Barry - @udrako - thanks for posting these pictures. I realised that - shamefully - I knew very little about early 20th C. Brazilian history. I have just spent an enjoyable couple of hours correcting that. It seems that what was happening there echo the ideological currents in flux across Europe at the time. Government by force or government by consent. I find it hard not to make comparisons with the contemporaneous Spain. Thanks again - fascinating. cheers - I.
 
What you said Barry - @udrako - thanks for posting these pictures. I realised that - shamefully - I knew very little about early 20th C. Brazilian history. I have just spent an enjoyable couple of hours correcting that. It seems that what was happening there echo the ideological currents in flux across Europe at the time. Government by force or government by consent. I find it hard not to make comparisons with the contemporaneous Spain. Thanks again - fascinating. cheers - I.
My lack of knowledge matched yours Iain. I have had a brief look at this period in Brazilian history this afternoon and my thoughts were drawn to Spain. I will certainly be doing some further reading.
 
What you said Barry - @udrako - thanks for posting these pictures. I realised that - shamefully - I knew very little about early 20th C. Brazilian history. I have just spent an enjoyable couple of hours correcting that. It seems that what was happening there echo the ideological currents in flux across Europe at the time. Government by force or government by consent. I find it hard not to make comparisons with the contemporaneous Spain. Thanks again - fascinating. cheers - I.

Thank you :)
The history of Brazil is very complicated to understand, even in Brazil itself, LoL.
For example, textbooks were unbiased until the 1980s.
After this period, they became books for "school indoctrination" under populist inspiration. Historical facts - from Brazil and the world - are adjusted to align the populist ideology of the last 13 years.
Here something about the constitutionalist revolution of 1932.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitutionalist_Revolution
 
My lack of knowledge matched yours Iain. I have had a brief look at this period in Brazilian history this afternoon and my thoughts were drawn to Spain. I will certainly be doing some further reading.
Yes, the spain would be a good comparison.
However, the similarity would be even greater if we keep in mind also, Portugal.
We do not have a major civil war, with many damages or loss of life.
The dictatorship of Getlio Vargas himself was a personalist. For he adopted the most convenient posture at the moment, without committing himself to any ideology.
Social and labor policy was, and still is, clearly a fascist inspiration. Without being really fascist.
Here, Getulio vargas, like....
Führer Getulio "Von Vargas"
After...
Getulio "Delano" Vargas
And after...
Getulio Vargasvitch (Stalin)

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As for WWII, brazil would hardly leave the traditional ties between USA and UK and stay on the axis.
The "Integralists" (Brazilian fascists) were largely nationalists, however pro-allies or pro-neutral and anti-racists.
Here, integralists.

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The military, ditto.
The left (Communists, National Socialists) was pro-axis or opportunists. But they were a minority.
 
Yes, the spain would be a good comparison.
However, the similarity would be even greater if we keep in mind also, Portugal.
We do not have a major civil war, with many damages or loss of life.
The dictatorship of Getlio Vargas himself was a personalist. For he adopted the most convenient posture at the moment, without committing himself to any ideology.
Social and labor policy was, and still is, clearly a fascist inspiration. Without being really fascist.
Here, Getulio vargas, like....
Führer Getulio "Von Vargas"
After...
Getulio "Delano" Vargas
And after...
Getulio Vargasvitch (Stalin)

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As for WWII, brazil would hardly leave the traditional ties between USA and UK and stay on the axis.
The "Integralists" (Brazilian fascists) were largely nationalists, however pro-allies or pro-neutral and anti-racists.
Here, integralists.

php9he9hg.jpg

944820_316ed79c9bc44a44afd116b7729b5729~mv2.jpg

The military, ditto.
The left (Communists, National Socialists) was pro-axis or opportunists. But they were a minority.
Fascinating Ulysses. The comparisons with Salazar's Portugal is very interesting. A Fascism of convenience rather than driven purely by ideology.
 
Fascinating Ulysses. The comparisons with Salazar's Portugal is very interesting. A Fascism of convenience rather than driven purely by ideology.
Oh Yes. For example, the Brazilian "fascist" constitution of 1937 was known as "Polish." It was inspired by the Polish constitution and not the Italian, because the Italian was considered fascist :D
Here the cover of the constitution of 1937 of the United States of Brazil.

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From 1967, it became the Federative Republic of Brazil.
 
Fascinating Ulysses. The comparisons with Salazar's Portugal is very interesting. A Fascism of convenience rather than driven purely by ideology.

@Barry Giddens - 'A Fascism of convenience rather than driven purely by ideology' - a finely made point and well described. I think this speaks of the time and place - an age of ism's. To our modern ideas it lacked 'grey areas,' in popular thought - actually, not popular thought but mainstream constructs. Governmental, state sponsored propaganda - backed up by bayonets - keep your heads down, you'll have a quieter life. @udrako - ' the "Integralists" (Brazilian fascists) were largely nationalists, however pro-allies or pro-neutral and anti-racists,' - anti-racist fascists, an object lesson in nuance. How could you be racist in Brazil? - perhaps excepting the indigenous population - from the off a country based on an astonishingly diverse ethnic base? Mind you it did not stop - historically and indeed currently - mainstream American - and British cultural trends - making the same mistake. I think as long as we address these issues in a historical context we won't be breaking the forum rules. cheers - I.
 
Oh Yes. For example, the Brazilian "fascist" constitution of 1937 was known as "Polish." It was inspired by the Polish constitution and not the Italian, because the Italian was considered fascist :D
Here the cover of the constitution of 1937 of the United States of Brazil.

Constitui%C3%A7%C3%A3o_de_1937_do_Brasil.jpg


From 1967, it became the Federative Republic of Brazil.
Massive gaps in my knowledge here Ulysses, and I'm not really sure why. I have a basic understanding of Argentinian, Chilean, and Uruguayan political history, but Brazil has passed me by. It's fortunate that we have you to educate us.
 
@Barry Giddens - 'A Fascism of convenience rather than driven purely by ideology' - a finely made point and well described. I think this speaks of the time and place - an age of ism's. To our modern ideas it lacked 'grey areas,' in popular thought - actually, not popular thought but mainstream constructs. Governmental, state sponsored propaganda - backed up by bayonets - keep your heads down, you'll have a quieter life. @udrako - ' the "Integralists" (Brazilian fascists) were largely nationalists, however pro-allies or pro-neutral and anti-racists,' - anti-racist fascists, an object lesson in nuance. How could you be racist in Brazil? - perhaps excepting the indigenous population - from the off a country based on an astonishingly diverse ethnic base? Mind you it did not stop - historically and indeed currently - mainstream American - and British cultural trends - making the same mistake. I think as long as we address these issues in a historical context we won't be breaking the forum rules. cheers - I.
Beautifully put Iain. And that was a fascinating period. The battle of ideologies. And indeed, the battle within ideologies. One thinks of Orwell's 'Homage to Catalonia'. Some great art came out of that ferment of ideas. I was always drawn to the German Expressionists (nudge for one of your marvellous threads Iain!).
 
It might seem odd for someone that is professionally deeply ingrained in the photo-journalistic/news tradition of photography as am I, but I love high-fashion pictures. I've posted stuff by Helmut Newton before and these are of the same ilk. By Mario Testino - Peruvian born fashion and portrait photographer. I think his pictures enjoy more freedom in creation, editorially than I could ever experience. News photographers work - it might sound counter intuitive- with a huge amount of restraint - both self-imposed and culturally imposed. I'm sure I envy Testino's freedom in making images. Fashion photography creates - an unreal but - a beautiful vision. Nothing is left to chance. Maybe I like them so much because they are the opposite of my photographic world. I hope you like them - I.SR-Mario-1.jpg

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@Barry Giddens - 'A Fascism of convenience rather than driven purely by ideology' - a finely made point and well described. I think this speaks of the time and place - an age of ism's. To our modern ideas it lacked 'grey areas,' in popular thought - actually, not popular thought but mainstream constructs. Governmental, state sponsored propaganda - backed up by bayonets - keep your heads down, you'll have a quieter life. @udrako - ' the "Integralists" (Brazilian fascists) were largely nationalists, however pro-allies or pro-neutral and anti-racists,' - anti-racist fascists, an object lesson in nuance. How could you be racist in Brazil? - perhaps excepting the indigenous population - from the off a country based on an astonishingly diverse ethnic base? Mind you it did not stop - historically and indeed currently - mainstream American - and British cultural trends - making the same mistake. I think as long as we address these issues in a historical context we won't be breaking the forum rules. cheers - I.

Oh, yes:)
I believe we are in a historical and cultural context and I hope I am not breaking the rules of the forum :)
But it's a world of nuances, contradictions and nonsense :)
In the end, the "isms" are just a front for catastrophic social experiments, and mankind ends up paying the final price.
As one of my friends says. "I do not trust ideologies, official books, and doctrines. I trust in whisky. It makes me feel better. Pure, please." :)
 
It might seem odd for someone that is professionally deeply ingrained in the photo-journalistic/news tradition of photography as am I, but I love high-fashion pictures. I've posted stuff by Helmut Newton before and these are of the same ilk. By Mario Testino - Peruvian born fashion and portrait photographer. I think his pictures enjoy more freedom in creation, editorially than I could ever experience. News photographers work - it might sound counter intuitive- with a huge amount of restraint - both self-imposed and culturally imposed. I'm sure I envy Testino's freedom in making images. Fashion photography creates - an unreal but - a beautiful vision. Nothing is left to chance. Maybe I like them so much because they are the opposite of my photographic world. I hope you like them - I.View attachment 27671

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Beautiful images :)
 
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