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Well said Mark, just my two pennies worth I would have to say having dealt with many many companies and their customer services throughout the years I would personally have Simpsons customer service the most helpful friendly and efficient I've ever dealt.

Jamie.
 
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Mark Watterson said:
Surely there are various gentlemen that frequent this forum that have purchased brushes directly from Mr. Sabini (M&F) or Rooney?

This being the case, there will be an invoice associated with the goods containing the suppliers details including the Registered Company Address, Co. Reg No. and VAT No.?

Has anyone ever seen an invoice from Mr. Sabini (M&F) or Rooney?

Or do they just take money with no visible paper trail? That being the case, I'm sure it would pique the interest of HMRC ...
i have bought two brushes from lee directly, he was very friendly and helpful, i dealt with him via email and over the phone and then just sent funds via paypal and as promised the brushes arrived with no issues.

he used to sell bits on ebay and i only found out that the Ebay username was Lee via another forum member.

i have no issues with how he runs his business, if it works well for him then good luck to the fella, the brushes he has sent me were awesome !!!!!

Steve
 
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pugh-the-special-one said:
Well said Mark, just my two pennies worth I would have to say having dealt with many many companies and their customer services throughout the years I would personally have Simpsons customer service the most helpful friendly and efficient I've ever dealt.

Jamie.
+1, I had problems with a brush once, it happens. But Simpsons were great it was sorted out very quickly and with no bother.
 
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Thank you fellas but please, I'm not here to hijack this thread or try and point score ... I believe that the forum members are trying to get some clarity on Rooney.

From a personal point of view, I'm all ears too!!!

Any information which can be shared is good information.
 
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I'm sure all Simpson owners appreciate your hard work and support that comes with a Simpson brush. I know I certainly do :)

With regards the the Rooney story, I've just accepted that its a mystery. I just get on with enjoying the brushes that I have.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that in my collection, I've got brushes with history (Simpson, plisson..) so that box is ticked. Not fussed about the rest but only in how they perform.
 
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Mark Watterson said:
Or do they just take money with no visible paper trail? That being the case, I'm sure it would pique the interest of HMRC ...
Wouldn't they also be interested in making sure "Made in England" is in fact made in England?

I know the US takes that very seriously. Although our standards for made in the USA is very specific and very high. Even assembled in the US is a higher standard.
 
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I'm suspecting this might be a veiled comment regarding our brushes being manufactured on the Isle of Man?

You have actually PM'd in this regard have you not?

I'm not quite sure that the few miles of sea between us & England makes that much of a difference but people will vote with their hard earned on that point - so far, we seem to have been 'lucky'.

Our location has never been concealed in an effort to deceive or distract - Generally, the shaving aficionado & fraternity know their onions. They are a well versed and researched group.

Mark

asharperrazor said:
Mark Watterson said:
Or do they just take money with no visible paper trail? That being the case, I'm sure it would pique the interest of HMRC ...
Wouldn't they also be interested in making sure "Made in England" is in fact made in England?

I know the US takes that very seriously. Although our standards for made in the USA is very specific and very high. Even assembled in the US is a higher standard.
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As a side, our Taxes and National Insurance contributions are paid directly to the Isle of Man Government who in turn have a revenue sharing arrangement with HMRC.

Death and taxes, nothing more sure in life.

Our location also gives us quite a disadvantage in manufacturing costs - carriage prices are extortionate and we must ship everything effectively twice to the UK / GB being an Island.

We are held to ransom slightly by the local sea carrier but that's life.

Mark

asharperrazor said:
Mark Watterson said:
Or do they just take money with no visible paper trail? That being the case, I'm sure it would pique the interest of HMRC ...
Wouldn't they also be interested in making sure "Made in England" is in fact made in England?

I know the US takes that very seriously. Although our standards for made in the USA is very specific and very high. Even assembled in the US is a higher standard.
 
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I think the one thing that we do know is that Rooney aren't a company per se any longer, probably just a brand name only now, applied to some good brushes made by someone who doesn't want to discuss the detail. Ho hum.
They're good quality, I think we're agreed on that.
 
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Canuck said:
I think the one thing that we do know is that Rooney aren't a company per se any longer, probably just a brand name only now, applied to some good brushes made by someone who doesn't want to discuss the detail. Ho hum.
They're good quality, I think we're agreed on that.
Yes,,and handles and knots made in China too , as many we suspect...:-/
 
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Mark Watterson said:
I'm suspecting this might be a veiled comment regarding our brushes being manufactured on the Isle of Man?

You have actually PM'd in this regard have you not?

I'm not quite sure that the few miles of sea between us & England makes that much of a difference but people will vote with their hard earned on that point - so far, we seem to have been 'lucky'.

Our location has never been concealed in an effort to deceive or distract - Generally, the shaving aficionado & fraternity know their onions. They are a well versed and researched group.

Mark

asharperrazor said:
Mark Watterson said:
Or do they just take money with no visible paper trail? That being the case, I'm sure it would pique the interest of HMRC ...
Wouldn't they also be interested in making sure "Made in England" is in fact made in England?

I know the US takes that very seriously. Although our standards for made in the USA is very specific and very high. Even assembled in the US is a higher standard.
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As a side, our Taxes and National Insurance contributions are paid directly to the Isle of Man Government who in turn have a revenue sharing arrangement with HMRC.

Death and taxes, nothing more sure in life.

Our location also gives us quite a disadvantage in manufacturing costs - carriage prices are extortionate and we must ship everything effectively twice to the UK / GB being an Island.

We are held to ransom slightly by the local sea carrier but that's life.

Mark

asharperrazor said:
Mark Watterson said:
Or do they just take money with no visible paper trail? That being the case, I'm sure it would pique the interest of HMRC ...
Wouldn't they also be interested in making sure "Made in England" is in fact made in England?

I know the US takes that very seriously. Although our standards for made in the USA is very specific and very high. Even assembled in the US is a higher standard.
Interesting, but no. But that misinterpretation explains your response.

Let me just say it plainly so there's no more confusion between us.

Based on the evidence, I don't believe Rooney currently has a factory in Britain that even does the cursory, stamps the handles or glues the hair, that would legally make it Made in England.

Vulfix & Simpsons clearly has a factory. In fact, Vulfix & Simpson is the only company off the top of my head where you can actually take a tour of their factory and they publicly disclose where their factory is. Very transparent and I commend your company for it.
 
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Mark Watterson said:
Surely there are various gentlemen that frequent this forum that have purchased brushes directly from Mr. Sabini (M&F) or Rooney?

This being the case, there will be an invoice associated with the goods containing the suppliers details including the Registered Company Address, Co. Reg No. and VAT No.?

Has anyone ever seen an invoice from Mr. Sabini (M&F) or Rooney?

Or do they just take money with no visible paper trail? That being the case, I'm sure it would pique the interest of HMRC ...
The problem, Mark, with Rooney and M&F brushes is that they are nearly impossible to purchase in Europe, now that executive-shaving has sold their last Rooney brushes.
I have to have a friend from Badger and Blade pick some Rooneys up for me on the vintageblades.com shop, since they don't offer shipment outside of the US - that's the only way possible to get hold of the Stubby 2XL and 3XL brush I want (2 awesome brushes, that I find have equal quality compared to my Chubby 2 2-Band and Duke 3 2-Band)

It appears the owner of Rooney and M&F, Lee Sabini, is next to impossible to get in contact with. I have sent him numerous emails and got one reply where he offred me to buy an M&F Blonde Badger, but then I replied that I wanted to buy that brush, he never replied back to me and it's now 2 weeks ago:icon_cry2:

This guy and Rooney & M&F brushes are like ghosts - you know they exist, but you never really see them - only on websites - and if you live in the US.
I finally got my Stubby 2XL, so I know they do exist - but they are damn hard to find.........

Claus frm Denmark[hr]
jaycey said:
Their premises are about 15 minutes drive from where I work.
I will be doing further investigations in the near future;)
I look forward to hearing what you find out about this infamous company :exclamation:
 
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This will come as a surprise to all that have posted.
I was the one who manufactured all the Rooney Heritage range and the later M&F brushes, they were all turned on CNC machines , polished in vibratory tumblers and then given a final hand polish with a swansdown mop for that extra lustre.
Lee Sabini produced the knots and assembled and branded and then sold via most of the well known London outlets.
All of the production was in the UK , all of the material for the handles came via
GPS Agencies the only UK importer of the Italian produced , polyester , acrylic and casien.
The Badger bristles all came from China as they still do today, what ever brand you buy.
So just to confirm all Rooney and M&F up until I retired were made in the UK.
Handles in West Sussex , assembly and marketing in East London.
Regards Frank McInroy
 
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I don't quite understand the love of Rooney brushes. I have several very old Rooneys one NOS and to me they are at best "Meh". No backbone at all and very soft paintbrushes really? Also definitely not dense enough badger hair. Then recently on E-bay I paid $99 for a "New"as advertised last of the real Rooney brushes with a Persian jar shaped mock ivory handle. The handle is very nice looking but the brush hair is worse than the Old Rooney's I have and also definitely not dense at all. So, Who cares if Rooney is still a company or still in business? Not me for sure! My favorite shaving brush is one I put together myself using a Simpson Persian Jar handle and a purchased very dense top quality badger knot. I don't get the Rooney fan club at all?
 
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This will come as a surprise to all that have posted.
I was the one who manufactured all the Rooney Heritage range and the later M&F brushes, they were all turned on CNC machines , polished in vibratory tumblers and then given a final hand polish with a swansdown mop for that extra lustre.
Lee Sabini produced the knots and assembled and branded and then sold via most of the well known London outlets.
All of the production was in the UK , all of the material for the handles came via
GPS Agencies the only UK importer of the Italian produced , polyester , acrylic and casien.
The Badger bristles all came from China as they still do today, what ever brand you buy.
So just to confirm all Rooney and M&F up until I retired were made in the UK.
Handles in West Sussex , assembly and marketing in East London.
Regards Frank McInroy
This is interesting to me as somebody who owns a couple of M&F brushes, one of which is fantastic and the other not so much. I would be interested to know when you retired.
 
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Oh, the memories :)
I'm one of those who did get an M&F Blonde Badger from Lee in those years (2011-2012), probably with one of those handles made by Frank. Fantastic brush, and even better value. Shame that I didn't get to use it all that much, since Muehle came up with their V2 synths and forever killed any natural fibers for me.
But still keeping it as a piece of history!
 
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This is interesting to me as somebody who owns a couple of M&F brushes, one of which is fantastic and the other not so much. I would be interested to know when you retired.
Started to slow down towards the end of 2012, finally retired 2013 , have not made a shaving brush since, still have all the machine tools and equipment plus lots of material left over. Now finally getting on with restoring my old motorbikes at lot more satisfying than producing even Rooney brushes.
Regards Frank McInroy
 
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This will come as a surprise to all that have posted.
I was the one who manufactured all the Rooney Heritage range and the later M&F brushes, they were all turned on CNC machines , polished in vibratory tumblers and then given a final hand polish with a swansdown mop for that extra lustre.
Lee Sabini produced the knots and assembled and branded and then sold via most of the well known London outlets.
All of the production was in the UK , all of the material for the handles came via
GPS Agencies the only UK importer of the Italian produced , polyester , acrylic and casien.
The Badger bristles all came from China as they still do today, what ever brand you buy.
So just to confirm all Rooney and M&F up until I retired were made in the UK.
Handles in West Sussex , assembly and marketing in East London.
Regards Frank McInroy
It's a small world. During my New Forest Brushes period I knew a lot about the Rooney story. Suffice it to say that I regularly visited GPS Agencies in Sussex to collect the rods I used to have my handles made at our workshop in the New Forest. I didn't use CNC machines. Each of my handles was made individually on an old lathe by my turner. The lad at GPS was a former pupil at Churchers College which made an unsuccessful attempt to tame me in the 1950s. I was very interested to know about how all the well known brands were produced. At the end of the day, no matter where or how they are made, shaving brushes stand or fall by how we feel about them when we see, feel, and use them. I had some superb Rooney brushes and had one or more M&F. So thank you Frank for any that came from you! And I hope you are enjoying your retirement as much as I am mine.
 
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It's a small world. During my New Forest Brushes period I knew a lot about the Rooney story. Suffice it to say that I regularly visited GPS Agencies in Sussex to collect the rods I used to have my handles made at our workshop in the New Forest. I didn't use CNC machines. Each of my handles was made individually on an old lathe by my turner. The lad at GPS was a former pupil at Churchers College which made an unsuccessful attempt to tame me in the 1950s. I was very interested to know about how all the well known brands were produced. At the end of the day, no matter where or how they are made, shaving brushes stand or fall by how we feel about them when we see, feel, and use them. I had some superb Rooney brushes and had one or more M&F. So thank you Frank for any that came from you! And I hope you are enjoying your retirement as much as I am mine.
It is definitely a small world , we must have passed like ships in the night. I was using the GPS material long before I got into shaving brushes with Lee Sabini, remember Roy Stevens the previous owner. I became his best mate after I took all the brown snail casein sheet that Conway Stuart had returned because they didn't know how to machine it. No wonder Conway finally went bust.
You don't take over a company and then sack all the skilled and experienced staff, I may be wrong but asset stripping comes to mind !!!
 
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