Razor Brands To Avoid

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Thanks UKRob - I use TOBS to order my creams, colognes etc as I simply can't find them locally. The pain is regarding the razors, there simply isn't any information on the online shop whatsoever, no brand names just pictures and prices. Not at all helpful!
 
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ANDYJR81 said:
I was therefore quite surprised to see Artamis on your list, as that is the razor I got myself for a reasonable £18.95. Was useless out of the box, but a good pass on a strop made the world of difference and although I have never managed a completely successful HHT, the blade seems to perform pretty well. That said, I have absolutely no basis for comparison, as I've never used anything else! Would really like to know therefore that, if say I drop £80 on one of the Solingen blades from TOBS, will I have an even better shave than I am now?

Would really love any feedback, esp if anyone has used an Artamis blade and progressed to something more respected?

Thanks in advance :)
I have attempted to hone this brand, but the steel was so poor I gave up. It appeared to take a decent edge under 20x magnification, but when examined again after stropping (I always do this for any razor I hone) the edge was like a row of jagged teeth - bits had micro-chipped away from it.

A new-user on the SRP forum got one as a present - it came with a useless flimsy leather and synthetic fabric strop, a can of shaving foam(!) and a pack of balloons - instructions were to practice on the balloons, like old-time barbers were taught to do. He did 10 in a row without bursting one. Remarkable - that razor must have been really, really sharp (in case you wondered, I'm being sarcastic!).

Another new-user on the B&B forum said that the edge was poor, and gave up completely half way through a shave - a sure sign of bad steel - probably buckled and rolled the edge with the coarseness of his bristles.

If you get a decent shave from an £18 razor (I have seen them cheaper) then that's great, I applaud you. However, sharpening good steel with a strop would take a month of sundays if the edge was a little blunt to begin with. The edge has to be there in the first place for the strop to refresh it. That a strop had such a dramatic effect on your razor must indicate that it is very soft steel indeed.

I have heard - but don't know for sure - that the place of origin is China. One fellow on another forum was disgusted with his Artamis razor and took it back to the shop he bought it from. He asked the salesman where the razor had come from - 'China' was the reply. Hearsay, I know, but I tend to believe it.

Regards,
Neil
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Further to the origin of these el-cheapo junk razors, a visit to the Alibaba homepage proves very instructive:





Not bad - a razor for a dollar (yes - I am being sarcastic again)...

Regards,
Neil
 
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Thanks Neil for taking the time to respond. Wow I guess I must have just got lucky with mine. I tend to find straight after a honing (I've only done it once) and touch up strop it performs awfully, but if its then left 24-48 hours and restropped its absolutely fine - I'd just assumed that was something to do with letting the blade rest before use.

No complaints with it, definitely gets all the hair (which is quite wiry) off my face; but as I mentioned I have nothing to compare it to as a relative noob so might well find myself very pleasantly surprised after an upgrade.

Do you have a recommended thread I could look at?

Thanks
 
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ANDYJR81 said:
Do you have a recommended thread I could look at?

Thanks
Sorry, Andy - I'm not quite sure what you mean - a thread about what? You can find most anything yourself simply by googling and having some time to spare, if that helps.

Regards,
Neil
 
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Timor Razors are a PITA too. I've had quite a few sent to me for honing and spent ages on them before giving up. About 1 in 5 (from my experience) actually takes a half-decent edge and keeps it for more than a few shaves.

Most new factory supplied high-end brands don't come 'shave-ready' either (at least what I'd refer to as such), but no problem at all to hone.

I recently bought a new razor from Revisor and although dubious that it was 'shave-ready', it wasn't too bad at all and after a few months, I've yet to hone it. I will though, soon.

Many a hundred year old (or more) razor from the Solingen of Sheffield makers, just needs to be shown a hone and the edge, jumps onto the razor :)
 
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onotoman said:
Timor Razors are a PITA too. I've had quite a few sent to me for honing and spent ages on them before giving up. About 1 in 5 (from my experience) actually takes a half-decent edge and keeps it for more than a few shaves.

Most new factory supplied high-end brands don't come 'shave-ready' either (at least what I'd refer to as such), but no problem at all to hone.

I recently bought a new razor from Revisor and although dubious that it was 'shave-ready', it wasn't too bad at all and after a few months, I've yet to hone it. I will though, soon.

Many a hundred year old (or more) razor from the Solingen of Sheffield makers, just needs to be shown a hone and the edge, jumps onto the razor :)
I did have second thoughts about Timor, strangely enough!

The vintage ones were very good, no doubt about that.

However, G&F produced some new blued-tang ones quite a few years ago. The initial crop of them were OK - nothing special, but decent razors. Then something must have gone wrong - they started to have poor grinds, kinks in the spine, and the bevel was prone to take a wire edge very easily. That phase lasted for a few years. Then a new range was introduced. They were hard to hone, mainly because the steel was harder and the bevel G&F put on them was a bit arbitrary - they came with slightly blunt, often micro-chipped edges. However, after a full bevel re-set and proper honing they were very capable shavers.

Now it seems (as of January, anyway) that another problem lot have emerged. So, reluctantly, they are now on the list. Applies to new Giesen & Forsthoff Timors only though - not the vintage ones.

Regards,
Neil
 
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I found that with a couple of the G&F Timors (with a blued tang which I assume is the same as Neil's reference to bled). It took a long time setting a bevel but after that they took a good edge.
 
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Neil Miller said:
This list has been compiled in response to the ever-growing number of con-artists and scammers, mostly from the East, that are currently infesting the market place with what they describe as 'straight razors' but which are either incapable of taking a good edge, made of poor quality steel, are poorly made and assembled and which do not shave well if at all - usually due to a combination of all these things. They are usually to be had for £30 or less, although brand new. Be aware that you need to pay at least double for a new entry-level razor by a reputable maker (and even then some of these have very lax quality control which leave them with defects like warps, poor grinding, etc that render them sometimes unusable).

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The list of Brands to Avoid:

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Enzo
Enzo England
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Keep in the mind the old adage - 'if it looks too good to be true, then it probably is!' (ie - its worthless).

Regards,
Neil
Well that answers that question then

I'll use this as my starting reference.

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The answer to all of this is to buy a vintage blade from one of the guys in here. Tell them your budget and I'm pretty sure they could come up with something shave ready at not much cost. I doubt I would ever buy a new straight again, the three that I have bought new and "shave ready" were good enough, but then I bought a vintage "shave ready" in here and the difference was remarkable.
I very much doubt Neil or Rob would sell any blade to anyone if it wasn't going to be fit for the job. They have too much reputation to loose by doing things like that.
Good effort on that list Neil!
 
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I saw this http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/CLASSIC-SALON-STRAIGHT-CUT-THROAT-SHAVING-RAZOR-RAZORS-/200562570301 and liked the look of it an nearly asked in here what the difference was between this and something costing 10x as much. I guessed about it not keeping an edge but didn't consider it not taking one in the first place and I've now just thought that it'd probably go rusty too.

For one reason or another I'm not ready to order a straight yet but this forum in all its glory is a very good resource for reading and when the time's right and I see something in BST, I may fire-up the buying finger ;-)
 
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That's what I love about TSR, people including the lurkers study things thare thinking about buying and when the time is right for them they ask questions and 99.9% of the time they get an answer.

Sometimes if someone has had a bad experience with the item then they should also put there comment down, things to consider good or bad, they will find it helpful :s
 
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I should point out that I didn't go ahead and buy this eBay-Enzo razor, I was going to ask first if it was any good and why this cost several times less than a cheap "good one" but I happened to find this thread before I asked the question. So yes, TSR, great, answered my question before I knew it needed answering!
 
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These topics are very helpful. I was looking at one of the 'beware' brands on eBay, glad I read this first. Could anyone give me there opinion on this eBay item number 321186757218. Can't seam to post link or picture

This link might work,

http://bit.ly/1dYcp0Z
 
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