I going to try giving up smoking...Again

[dowsing]

It's a Cleito tank 0.27 ohm tank @tomj777 and the only juice I've tried so far is 6ml which I've found a bit too potent. So in addition to the £1 Heisenberg I've ordered some 0ml flavourless to mix in and tone things down a bit.

How does it work with the wattage? Is it higher, the wider you make the hole?

 

[PLANofMAN]

This is just my opinion you are only giving up something that's incredibly harmful and dangerous to replace it with something slightly less harmful with the same addictive issues plus it's still sucking money out of your pocket, to me it's like a alcholic saying he's giving up whiskey and from now on he's only drinking beer.

He is giving up something that will either kill him or result in severe health consequences later in life, for something that is believed to be 99% safer. There is a lot we don't know about the long term health impacts of vaping, but we do know about the long term health impacts of smoking.

Studies have shown that secondhand vaping poses no risk to bystanders. Whereas second hand smoke has been shown in studies to be harmful to others. My mother never smoked a day in her life, but has severe COPD due to both her parents smoking when she was a child. Vaping doesn't hurt those we love.

Edit: Most people who vape, either don't want to quit smoking, or have been unable to break the addiction. They want to find a healthier alternative to smoking and vaping fulfills that need.

 

[pugh-the-special-one]

I don't see it that way smoking in the western world is falling governments are looking to replace the Goose that lays the golden Egg Tabacco with another drug and it seems vaping could be their new future golden Goose, and lets see what health issues start to pop in the coming decades?

 

[george]

I think a lot of people just don't engage their brain when talking about smoking vs vaping!

 

[dowsing]

I watched Horizon on iPlayer tonight which gives a good balanced view. Yes, it's too early to say what the associated health risks may be at this time but this is vs smoking where around half of smokers die ...I'd much rather go for those odds.

Here's the link on iPlayer if anyone fancies a watch:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b07c6ll4

 

[pugh-the-special-one]

I think a lot of people just don't engage their brain when talking about smoking vs vaping!

Really fire away lets see your Smoking v Vaping then I'll put up some facts from my not so engaged brain, don't forget they told us for decades that smoking cigarettes were totally harmless when in fact the cigarette companies knew quite the opposite.

 

[PLANofMAN]

Really fire away lets see your Smoking v Vaping then I'll put up some facts from my not so engaged brain, don't forget they told us for decades that smoking cigarettes were totally harmless when in fact the cigarette companies knew quite the opposite.

Just don't quote any material from Dr. Stanton "I hate vaping" Glantz. His doctorate is in engineering, and he's a paid anti-vaping shill.

 

[tomj777]

For safety research purposes, look at the work by the cardiologist and research fellow, Dr Konstantinos Farsalinos (he did great research on, amongst other things, the dangerous use of diacetyl (very bad thing) and flaws in some of the more emotively reported research).

For advocacy and critique of large industry and commercial involvement in legislation (sort of political, I guess), look at the former director of ASH, Clive Bates (he has a blog called Counterfactual).

For bias, look at, well, you'll find pidgin research and the abuse of logical fallacies from all camps in the vaping debate, so google is your friend.

Always look beyond headlines and check credibility of references. The bottom line is that vaping is considerably safer than smoking but in no way should it be considered "safe" (and I'll not be as crass as comparing it to say, two trips on the tube in London and saying it's safer or more dangerous...) - you are, after all, breathing in chemicals that you wouldn't naturally.

 

[Norfolkdick]

Greetings

I gave up smoking 21 years ago when I had a heart attack and subsequently angioplasty, I gave up drinking three months ago when I was diagnosed with pancreatitis. I do not reccomend either as a route/method of giving up!

Regards
Dick.

 

[george]

Really fire away lets see your Smoking v Vaping then I'll put up some facts from my not so engaged brain, don't forget they told us for decades that smoking cigarettes were totally harmless when in fact the cigarette companies knew quite the opposite.

From your earlier comments you sound very well informed, I for one would like to know more of you wisdom.

 

[pugh-the-special-one]

Rarely will you find a truthful addict, I worked for Cancer care for many years and on many occasions took people for treatments including Chemo and Radio Therapy, I've even had people with known smoking related cancers actually defend smoking, addiction controls and alters the mind of even the most logical person the moment you admit this and own it is the moment you can actually take control of it and do something about it.

 

[Nishy]

Put it this way if an inspector came into a Pharmacy and heard any member of staff quoting that vaping is a safe way to smoke or better than cigarettes they would be reprimanded. The reason you still don't see vaping sticks on NHS prescription is because it's still not considered to be smoking cessation instead smoking alternative. What is an 'alternative'? It is not labelled as a 'healthy' alternative. Is it even labelled by the NHS as a 'healthier' alternative? Would that be legal? Argument arises is this even NRT when Nicotine still is not the only chemical consumption.

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[Count of Undolpho]

The Royal College of Physicians' new report, ‘Nicotine without smoke: tobacco harm reduction', has concluded that e-cigarettes are likely to be beneficial to UK public health.

"E-cigarettes and long-term harm - the possibility of some harm from long-term e-cigarette use cannot be dismissed due to inhalation of the ingredients other than nicotine, but is likely to be very small, and substantially smaller than that arising from tobacco smoking. With appropriate product standards to minimise exposure to the other ingredients, it should be possible to reduce risks of physical health still further. Although it is not possible to estimate the long-term health risks associated with e-cigarettes precisely, the available data suggest that they are unlikely to exceed 5% of those associated with smoked tobacco products, and may well be substantially lower than this figure. "

 

[Rohleder]

I've not read the entire thread (only the OP) but I stopped my 20 Marlboro a day habit 4 years ago and haven't even thought about smoking once since. I tried patches/gum/e-cigs/cold turkey none of it worked for me... I still enjoyed smoking! What did it for me was reading Allen Carr's "Easy way to stop smoking" book, absolutely fantastic (think there's also a DVD now) he encourages you to smoke whilst reading it which should give you an idea of how radically different it is from the usual NHS rubbish which only keep you enslaved to nicotine.

 

[Nishy]

The Royal College of Physicians' new report, ‘Nicotine without smoke: tobacco harm reduction', has concluded that e-cigarettes are likely to be beneficial to UK public health.

"E-cigarettes and long-term harm - the possibility of some harm from long-term e-cigarette use cannot be dismissed due to inhalation of the ingredients other than nicotine, but is likely to be very small, and substantially smaller than that arising from tobacco smoking. With appropriate product standards to minimise exposure to the other ingredients, it should be possible to reduce risks of physical health still further. Although it is not possible to estimate the long-term health risks associated with e-cigarettes precisely, the available data suggest that they are unlikely to exceed 5% of those associated with smoked tobacco products, and may well be substantially lower than this figure. "

Not to be obtrusive but that report doesn't once indicate or state that e-cigs are 'safe' it mentions several times that they need further regulations and that it is a progressive concern to adopt this. Just to put that to bed the NHS inhalator, gum and oral mucosal spray(or what I like to call the duck whistle) already does this (known ingredients, strength and form).

Secondly I'm surprised given the nature of the source that the report is not succinct but paradoxical. Take the first bullet point title referring to 'e-cigs not being a gateway'; to be followed by the sub text indicating it is 'almost entirely' limited to current smokers. Erm stats source please? What happens to those not included in the 'almost entirely' how physicians can tolerate a quantifiable domain through this expression deludes myself.

I think what the entire report once dissected actually infers, that we still don't know much about the possible effects of this replacement therapy. So basically similar to that of a cigarette in the past, thought of as a digestion aid.

Anyhow as has been said multiple times, its the mind set of the user and if it's is bringing positive results so be it.

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[Count of Undolpho]

That's not the report it's a press release about the report. And I specifically included the bit estimating the harm compared to smoking using the present data. Even though in their opinion that figure is still high at "unlikely to exceed 5%"

The quote which I think is more useful is "Smokers can therefore be reassured and encouraged to use them, and the public can be reassured that e-cigarettes are much safer than smoking."

Sources? Use of electronic cigarettes (vapourisers)
among adults in Great Britain

Use of electronic cigarettes among children
in Great Britain

First two that show up on Google